I honestly fail to see how you are unable to make the connection that some people are superior than others. At first you confuse basic things: Your initial statement said "lesser humans". Is automation bad too? Without corporations and industrial socialisms (of left and right) and trust laws and restrictions on monopolies we end up in territory that Paul-Mason describes as post-capitalism, because capital is of very little use when it spreads out so thinly. Socialism, Communism and Fascism, on the other hand, are totalitarian, or of a totalitarian flavor. IE, growing inequality of wealth as it leaves behind the people at the edges, and those edges are constantly shrinking. That you are "enlightened" and I am not. In other words, they will labor for the preparation for their own suicide.Vladimir Lenin; as quoted by Antony Sutton in Revolution, U.S., British, and German wolves soon found a bonanza of profit in selling to the new Soviet regime. It appears you don’t understand that you are mixing up economic systems with what are systems of governance. Certain officials, like mayors, may not be directly elected. Only stupid americans could write all thiss stuff, and you wonder why your the laughing stock fo the world. Thank you for sharing :). Pure Capitalism isn't possible because there is no set definitions of terms and, most important, concentration of assets soon warps Capitalism into kleptocism or some other form of plutocratic system. And here I am standing with very few people trying to keep our Republic afloat. If I came across as saying that Europeans are ignorant compared to Americans then I have been misunderstood -- all people of all nations are equally ignorant. the Republican party is not Fascistic, but the Democrats are as well as Socialist, and Communist, Democrats are also Fascistic, not Republicans. It's good to know they weren't about killing other people. Have a look. I can deal with that. 'Inteligence' Hate to burst your bubble but as somebody who has studied education, america has one of the lowest educations in the developed world, obviously excluding the elite. also, though communism has good principals it doesnt work. Ignorance is always championed. You are conflating innovation with capitalism. I am talking about the educated helping the uneducated. It's good to know they weren't about killing other people. Can he choose to alter his birthplace? Lol, no shit. He advocates smaller government more than any other politician I know of. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. But I could see why people would fall for it, and I could see why the Nazis would use this exact line of thinking in a perverted way to discredit it. 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How about a little "Common Sense" please? And so, I note that this “change” that we are seeing in our government is first of all “spiritual” and secondly it is economic, social, and political. Socialists think economical disparity is terrible for society, and the government is in charge of decreasing it through projects that advantage poor people. But who cares? So spare me the propoganda. Further, historically and logically speaking capitalism is much better at improving the quality of life of those who are born poor and less fortunate. It's the bad milk not the cereal thats the problem!!! I'm not going to debate. Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an invention of hardline Communist Benito Mussolini. This will prolong the end of our freedom by several decades if done on a consistent basis, however eventually the small government leader will be replaced by a large government leader such as we have now. As long as you are practicing Humanistic principles, which communism/socialism and fascism are all very closely based it doesn't matter what religion you are. As far as the rpg goes. This is gathered from reading many history books and talking with educated people. Against many assholes who suppressed my opinion, when they were no more vulgar or hateful then what I'm writing right now, just because "it was their forum, and I'm but a guest", and against gays and women. If it wasn't for Capitalism poor people would not live better today than kings lived just 200 years ago. Space is limited. In many ways the collectivist ideologies are MORE in favor of self interest than capitalism. The fact you try to persuade that U.S.A is not capitalist and more importantly refer to a bank bailout as an example is alarming as clearly you havn't got the basic grasp of economics or definition. When conservatives are truly serious about all American citizens having the right to pursue happiness, we will create a 75% majority, and we will be able to offer our children and grandchildren a vastly better future than the bureaucratic welfare state of dependency, coercion, and ineffectiveness we face today. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. But they are still equal? Telling the Truth About Radical Islamism. USA: Democr.--------Repub. It seems to me like americans have lived through this raping the resourches of the planet, destroying other nations, taking their oil, nuking countries, almost single handedly creating global warming, all this in ignorance. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! The level of intelligence required to live a life and articulate yourself will be the same regardless of socio-economic system. Governments based on those theories always self destruct or get put down due to their moral atrocities, failing economy, or lack of innovation whether by internal, or external forces. 'Inteligence' Hate to burst your bubble but as somebody who has studied education, america has one of the lowest educations in the developed world, obviously excluding the elite. You can't just make a product you have an idea for and sell it. That is exactly what they want. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. Why is it that the US seems to think it invented capitalism? I totally agree with your points Antispin. Through our Globalization, we have been able to witness its effects on the world and how devastating it has been but the same pattern continues anyway. There is no limitation on who may possess capital. Origin. Dont believe me? Employee conditions largely depend on how much power he has. But it is all much deeper than this. Socialism and Communism are often used in place of the … Generally resulting in lower consumption of goods as the new oppressive work outweighs in discomfort any financial remuneration. And descision are made collectively and even if not made collectively under communism that is as close to perfect as your dillusions about capatalism individual descisions can be made because the individual does things in the rational interest of the group. Let's see what Albert Pike has to say on this issue. fascism is a whole differert ballpark. PS Although capitalism is clear-cut from the rest, the same cannot be said about communism and socialism. They want entertainment, sex, drugs and sports. This obviously leans towards my opinion but I'm not pulling this opinion out of a magic hat. I could also point out. Basically the same applies in theory with capitalism. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but haven't been online in a while. Through capitalism, private corporations get more powerful and resourceful than anywhere else, and therefore use this in their media influences and most importantly, sponsorship/political party donations which without a political candidate in america cannot even run for a position without such financing. http://thefederalist.com/2013/11/18/coolidge-cool/ and btw, they ARE considered a 'person.' I could watch this all day :) Bounce #5. Central banking creates meltdowns -- communism. when or where does God say all men were created equal? No one feels like they have anything. The Billionaires have been bribing our politicians to vote in their favor instead of for the People which has caused serious struggles for the middle class. Of course I see what was being said but none of that is Capitalism. They can stop buying those products or services. Don't believe what you're told that you only have two people to choose from. Now we're making progress :) Forget all those quotes I gave you above. Slaves love sports. When we see through human history that the good ones are helping hands with each other, don't that sounds like a slight of socialism, because they are socially coping. It used to be. CAPITALISM ALSO LEADS TO FASCISM, NOT BY DESIGN PER SAY, BUT FIND A MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR THE SENATE IN THE US WHO IS WORTH LESS THAN 200,000$, WHILE THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IS LUCKY TO MAKE 30,000 IN A YEAR. Thems the facts kiddos. Therefore, since most people did not actually go to America, then we may safely state that America must be inferior to other nations. Says the guy who doesn't know the difference between your and you're. It makes people reliant to the state for everything from nourishment to medicinal services. the greatest financial hardship ever co incides with your great period. Oh wait... last time i checked, America wasn't with the whole FASCISM idea...... lmao exactly these people are idiots. '16.7% of the population were uninsured in 2009' 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to 46.2% of all personal bankruptcies'"only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" For uninsured 'When charity or "uncompensated" care is not available, they sometimes simply go without needed medical treatment.' Soviet union had rediculous personal growth i.e roman abromovich. Western Europe had hundreds of near constant warfare under capitalism. Communism has its roots in the “Communist Manifesto”. How is basing an ecomony on consumerism logical? UK has some of the leading business entrepreneurs. - untrue. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. Why do I have a socialist-government monopoly that won't allow me to enter the market? Level of Intelligence Required -> Again, I feel this is bias coming through. We must commit ourselves to undertaking the necessary reforms so that we can become the most productive, most creative, and most prosperous country in the world. Maybe if you are in grade 6 and drawing this out on a scrap piece of paper using a pencil and describing why people vote. The Nazis were not fascists. This is why America grew and became popular. The main focus is to motivate the people to work more. But what happens when nobody wants to work anymore? And so am I.'' A lot of immigrants were poorly treated, there was racism. You talk about how slavery is wrong but then support a communist government. Just because capitalism allows self interest doesn't mean it's bad. They all have a vote and have the power to do so; but they typically are not capable of thinking for themselves anyway -- look who they voted for! Maybe it's because history class has been taken over by the same people who funded communism...naaaaah... that's crazy talk. 'resources don't come out of nowhere' yes they come from crops in the ground..or from the GDP, or corporate/goverment income. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington would be socialists today, they predated the system. Adam Smith never preached massive Multi-national corporations. Free market economics eliminates government enforced monopolies. The best form of government is the Republican form that our founding fathers gave us, yet is proved to not be perfect as it has already been hijacked to cater to the statist left and right. There is little difference between fascism and capitalism, both are the evilness of militarism. Competing with China and India. wants to controll healthcare and it already controlls a lot of power, water, oil, etc. Well, that is until something happens to you where your government cant do anything about it... Then who do you cry to? Go argue with your history book. Shame on Capitalism. But children do need parents. If you haven't noticed capitalism in its current form has led to fascism in America if not a large section of the world. Some people are better at more things than other people. Communism vs. socialism in simple terms. They actually use the government to legally enforce the stealing of money from one person to another. Live a poor life with poor information. And if we ever do for a short period of time it will be taken away immediately. and no i'm not a communist i'm an anarchist / objectivist so you can't denounce ma as a communist bastard as i to find the idea of communism fundementaly flawed but i have to correct your idiocy slayerment. I'm over here trying to support capitalism which increases production and improves efficiency and here you are telling me that consumerism is logical. Now, in all honesty i would agree with that statement, but you really should work to make it unbiased, if you want to build credibility. If somebody wants to produce above their means in Capitalism they can. planned economy. How was america financing communism? And from a developmental point of view, Slayerment rises to the top of the developmental hierarchy here, as he cares to be respectful to others, even in the face of extreme rudeness and name-calling, he cares to write with proper grammar, spelling and punctuation, and his ideas are progressive and clearly based on much study of the subject. And I don't see socialists giving, I only see them taking. The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In socialism, the production means are possessed by open ventures or cooperatives, and people are repaid taking into account the rule of individual commitment. There are varying degrees at every level and to say that there is no such thing as inferior and superior is complete BS and a weak attempt at approaching life honestly or rationally. We must identify our opponents, be honest about the scale of the threat, and undertake a grand strategy to defeat radical Islamism. ''Capitalism doesn't lead to corruption any more than any other form of government.'' We are not a democracy. Only a derp would say "National socialsts must be socialists... it's in their title!" But go ahead man. If we had a capitalist society it would hands down do better than any current socialist society by a long shot. Once the bankers got the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 passed, that was the end of the Old Republic. In both communism and socialism, the people own the factors of economic production. Grow up and read a book. Anyways again I liked the chart man. Now Fascists want absolute power, and king Rule. this is how i see it. Greedy bankers and business men saw the Articles of Confederation as an impediment to trade. Prices rise because more people have money to spend on items. When I think of modern day Liberals, this is what I think of. Thanks, I appreciate the conversation. Just capitalism with more arguments at the table as the majority is elves and votes that all taxed tokens go to elves, in real life it'd be reversed where the "minority" gets the tokens. Alot ot negative comments about Communism. e.g. Those kinds of ideals do not exist in the real word and a Communist society will crumble on its own like the Soviet Union. It has been explain from all kinds of Biblical World Organized Religions that we all should be equal not only from birth but until our expiration date also. I suggest you all educate yourselves with people like Milton Friedman. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear. When people came to America they adopted a new way of living as framed by the Founding Fathers. This is not the mission and a complete perversion of power. ; ). What happens if I create a large business that people choose to work for in a Libertarian Socialist society? Enough people have shown quite blatently in so many respects how wrong it is in every way, yet it is just dismissed. That's why they have the state, lol. This widely distributed Nazi pamphlet first appeared in 1929. Eher, 1932). If you think we are a democracy, you really need to watch this video for a reality check.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE&fe. "How can a system which mandates the continual poverty and oppression of the masses, and which requires them to surrender the majority of the fruits of their labour, through no fault of theirs, be the best system for them?". It's a hard sell to see the U.S. as a facist society right now. I'm lean partially right on the spectrum, but this article is uneducatedly heavy right leaning. Throughout history the largest monopolies have always been through Socialism, not Capitalism. This political infographic uses illustrations to make each concept easier to understand. Of course it is incorrect to manipulate somebody if you are smarter than them. Where decisions are made, only those affected by them have the right to have say, and may disassociate from the larger group at any time. He openly acknowledged that the Nazi party was "socialist" and that its enemies were the "bourgeoisie" and the "plutocrats" (the rich). He also missed a much needed comma (,) after spell, and an apostrophe in thats (that's). Usually anti-democratic with a 1-party system. They don't want to do the work themselves. "Communism Mage”? Of course we are all equal as humans. The truth has never been a glamorous, fun thing. Most people have not been paying enough attention to what is happening and don't know enough about history to "connect all the dots". It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. Well good, because this next point is entirely relevant... Why you've totally got me confused now. It is led by one leader, like Hitler or Mussolini did, with absolute authority and businesses may be privately owned but the state dictates what and how much they produce. There is going to be greedy people anywhere. I took the time to read the comments and I was shocked at how many people sides with the chart. Your link is not working. -The governmental model is democratic, and the government represents the will of the people. A group of people can do the exact same thing under Ancap. People put them in power. It's non-points like this that make your argument seem vacuous and poorly-thought out. Socialism isn't really that all bad because they protect the common interest of everyone (spreading the wealth is not evil). Fascism: Pretty much like socialism, only every so often, I'll "elect" someone to pick where the tokens go. That was not the case, as Lenin admitted in March 1922. Turns into -> You can add "Totalitarian Control" to Capitalism too. But let's explore this more because socialists are so confused about this. If it was worse why did people come to America? You have placed your own arbitrary divides and judgements on people, and called those who do not live the American way of life "inferior". I suggest you call them less fortunate to avoid some raising of eyebrows in the future. Because i'm a sophomore in high school, but can still recognize that a fascim has little to nothing to do with capitalism or socialism for that matter. The vast majority of the ownership of corporations is in the hands of the very workers who have been taught to think that the corporations are evil. If you don't like something in S,C or F too bad, you don't have a choice. Level of freedom = tapped. I could no more practice anarchism in an ancap society than I could in our contemporary one. If we do it under socialism or communism it is called fair. Where the region is rich in productive capacity, population will settle at a higher density, where barren, the population remains sparse. Capitalism is the best form of government we have experienced on earth so far because it is in the closest alignment with the laws of the universe and truth. Every single EU country is capitalist? They should be provided free of cost to all by the government. Does a federal/state ran school system sound capitalistic? Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. Again, capitalism raises the standard of living better than any of the collectivist ideals. If collectivists weren't in it for themselves they wouldn't demand handouts -- they would take on their challenges and misfortunes. Sometimes I wish there was an internet censor so this type of garbage could be blacklisted. All i can say is you bias is so profound it is jawdropping, capitalism is the be all end all, solution to perfection and everything else is bad, all i can say is, self interest is selfish, vanity and materialistic, choose your morality and virtues in life above all else, including money and ideology. In regards to welfare, that is there to support those without a job, which is not their fault but a fault of the nations economy to provide these positions in abundance. Then to vote for someone you don't and they win. Where do you think the Founding Fathers got the idea for Capitalism? True socialism preaches worker ownership of the means of production and the full fruits of labour. I have a lot of faith in the future generations because of their access to information through the Internet and the Social Networks. A man can produce as much as he likes, and do with it what he pleases, but not where he uses his favourable situation to exploit or harm others as private property allows. And there would also be no religon what so ever not even a state religon as it does not produce anything and only corrupts society... I'm american and white but i like other cultures (I will not point out a specific one). Socialism works well for ensuring everyone benefits and shares the fruits of their labor. I hear weapon trafficking is how american capitalists are trying to hold on.In most parts of the world, both the terrorist and the army (in gulf countries) and government and the rebels(in countries having civil wars) have the weapons made in the USA.Is this the capitalist way to create peace in the world???? Capitalism make the poor poorest, of course, you can see that in your declining gringo civilization. What was I thinking? Bush done some dreadful deeds, but what are americans most annoyed by, his actions, or his stupidity. And that is exactly what they are getting. Bailouts are : UN-CAPITALISTIC!!! In socialism, the philosophy is that from according to capacity of individual, to according to his contribution. communism and fascism are both less pure than the previous being partially governmental in nature (and having more in their definition that just an economic theory). This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Production is sorted out to accommodate human needs specifically with no utilization for cash. Government run by = Capitalist elites. As far as "capitalism" goes, I think you need to study it a bit further, and the different forms presented. Does it make them a superior human? In capitalism, market based economy is consolidated with corporate or private ownership for method of creation. [ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)], Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. It is not voluntary. The Founding Fathers believed in American Exceptionalism because we are the only country in history that recognizes that power comes from God to each citizen personally. Interesting table you have though. If we didn't have all the socialist government monopolies this would be prevented much, much better by a free market. But what it will do is give you a pretty good understanding of what to expect from each one. That term isn't even in any of the founding documents. But on a physical level here on earth I don't think so. 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